Question: Who are we?


#41

Can only use additive particles!
Force you to think about overdraw, avoid blowing out.

Only unlit, untextured sprites & meshes!
Motion and shapes will be king, lots of fun vertex shader magic.

One quad!
Basically Shadertoy … but with more custom textures.

No camera facing quads!
Modeling skills can shine.


#42

Actually, I want to touch on this topic for a moment. I feel like this thinking belittles the creativite solutions of the best programmers, and the logical thinking of the best artists, or the often equally mixed role of the designer, audio person, or UI artist. I believe a balance of the so-called left/right brainisms are a key for any good game dev in all roles but maybe the most extreme fringes. (You don’t necessarily want your company’s bookkeeper to be especially “creative” in their job, be it for good or evil.)

I’d focus more on the cross discipline nature of VFX artist, and the breadth of knowledge across those disciplines. I also think the game design aspect of VFX is often overlooked. It’s not a 2d scale between just programming and artist, but a multi-dimensional hypercube which we float somewhere inside of. VFX / Tech Artists tend to speak multiple “languages”, in that they can talk to an artist, a designer, or a programmer and have each understand what you’re saying when you’re talking to them individually, even if the others don’t. And we can pass on information between the disciplines without loosing significant data.


#43

To clarify, I’m not outright disagreeing with you. Just stating that some days, reading a forum post to learn just one more thing feels like a massive deterrent for me.

Sure, but if that’s enough for one to disregard a whole profession, I think being a VFX artist is going to be extremely challenging. I’m not advocating that you need to be able to write a dissolve shader without using google, or profiling a multiplayer level on Xbox to be allowed into the club. All I’m saying is that if reading a forumpost is too much work even when ones motivation is low, you might not be cut out for the problemsolving that lies at the core of our profession.


#44

I’ve only ever been a dedicated VFX artist. It is in fact the only real job I’ve had (not counting a few summer jobs as a kid). I have of course helped out with other things, but through my career I’ve always been on a dedicated VFX team. Though, I’ve just passed 10 years in the industry so I can’t speak for the early days of the profession.


#45

Yeah, dedicated VFX artists have been a lot more common for the last 10~15 years than any time prior to that in the game industry. Between 2005~2006 the company I worked for went from having a handful of part-time VFX artists (as a side task their primary duties, usually programming, including myself where my title was Level Designer), to me writing tools and shaders for the team of 6+ dedicated VFX artists, most of whom this was their first VFX work, and certainly the first time for them all that it was their primary role. I knew of other teams around 2003 who had dedicated VFX people, like Epic Games, but before that I can’t think of any I knew of who weren’t considered graphics programmers, or just “an artist”.


#46

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. The artist I know that’s been dedicated to VFX the longest must be one and only @Nadab. I believe he went full on VFX in 2003/04.


#47

Exactly. :grinning: :grin:

Art springs forth from restriction. It would be interesting to see how creative we collectively can get, plus the possible efficiency and learning benefits.

(This may or may not be how I’m currently teaching myself. I’ll never tell ! :stuck_out_tongue: )


#48

Spite is a remarkable motivator. I’m pretty sure I became an FX Artist because my professor said I couldn’t. lol


#49

Year 14 here… They just flew right by… I remember editing particle systems in XML and seeing the results only after building a PS2 build and loading it on kit.

Nowadays what I look for and had most success with in newer artist is looking for the curious ones, those that enjoy finding out how things works. You gimme one of those, we’ll turn them in VFX artist in a jiffy.


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#51

I’m giving a talk at SCAD this weekend, and I’ll be quoting this. Wonderful collection of insights.


#52

Maybe this problems solves itself (at least) a little bit.

Before Node-Based systems (Houdini, Substance, Material Editors, …) Artists where basically separated from any logic-work. Scripting/Shader-Code was freightening and very different from the ususal art-workflow.

Now, artists get more and more into Node-Based systems because the entry-barrier is lower, less freightning and invites to experiement - which brings them a bit nearer to logic-work and with that a bit nearer to the technical side of things.

Maybe because of this, we’ll see more artist with a passion for technical things because the transition is softer now.

Actually I can see that at the school where I’m teaching a bit: Since Unity added a Node-Based Material Editor the projects make use of custom materials way more often then before! The artists get curious and try around while before, writing shader code was an intimidating barrier.


#53

VFX is something very attractive and fun to do but at the same time it is very hard to get into.

I am a student at the academy of art university and a year ago the last class of VFX shut down due to lack of students. I had to learns through site like this one or YouTube videos, it helped a lot but the lack of a constant teacher that could give me deep feedback or other student i could cooperate or compete with lacked a lot. A few other student started but got discouraged very fast unfortunately.

Ina way, I understand why very few people want to learn VFX. I believe that if you don’t love it at 200% it is a challenge to really get to it because you need to constantly push yourself to thoroughly work outside of school.
For example I take rigging and concept art classes at school and then when i get home I look at tutorials and work on it to assimilate as much knowledge as if this was my most important class.

but you know, we all said one day " i will do this on my free time" but then things got in the way…
in this case it is very important to push yourself and keep the workflow and trust me at times it is harder than it seems.

I persevered and I eventually got an internship where i could learn a lot from it. :slight_smile:


#54

This is why I fear no college or university will ever have a physical, in-class, full length course for real time vfx. When I say “full length” I mean there are a number of courses you take from Freshman/Transfer to Graduate that cover every aspect of vfx skills and principles. It just wouldn’t make sense to the university or program financially. We would need to pool all our teaching resources and students across the country, or even the world into one school and one program to get enough students.


#55

In our case School is good for networking. You might end up working working with people you knew from school and it can also help you get you started in the industry

I found my internship because a student and a teacher recommended me. :+1:


#56

I’m saying I want that for students. I want classes in game design or game art focused schools where students can study vfx from start to finish along side aspiring animators and character artists. I think it’s just that right now there is so little exposure and a lot of people don’t know vfx are even a thing. I think each year we get more and more exposure for the discipline, and hopefully some day soon we will have the same volume of artists wanting to travel down that path as we do animators and designers and 3d artists


#57

hopefully some day soon we will have the same volume of artists wanting to travel down that path as we do animators and designers and 3d artists

Probably more, given how much of say… Level Art has been took over by procedural. Saw some pretty spiffy stuff in that field. As per anything else these days, it’s the jobs with critical and creative thinking that remains in demand. We as VFX artist just so happen to have cultivated that mindset a long time ago and that, is really the backbone to it I think.